{"id":549513,"date":"2022-09-20T04:00:19","date_gmt":"2022-09-20T04:00:19","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/enterpriseam.com\/egypt\/2022\/09\/20\/part-2-of-our-exclusive-sitdown-with-mahmoud-mohieldin-the-un-climate-change-high-level-champion-for-egypt\/"},"modified":"2022-09-20T04:00:19","modified_gmt":"2022-09-20T04:00:19","slug":"part-2-of-our-exclusive-sitdown-with-mahmoud-mohieldin-the-un-climate-change-high-level-champion-for-egypt","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/enterpriseam.com\/egypt\/2022\/09\/20\/part-2-of-our-exclusive-sitdown-with-mahmoud-mohieldin-the-un-climate-change-high-level-champion-for-egypt\/","title":{"rendered":"Part 2 of our exclusive sitdown with Mahmoud Mohieldin, the UN climate change high-level champion for Egypt"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a class=\"content-anchor\" id=\"tldr-story-02\"><\/a> <strong>The role of the private sector in tackling the climate crisis: <\/strong>On a global scale, the world has barely made a dent in the climate finance target of USD 100 bn \u2014 bearing in mind the true bill is actually in tns of USD \u2014 UN High-level Climate Champion for Egypt Mahmoud Mohieldin told us in the first part of our two-part interview. With so much still left to do, the big questions are: How can we tackle this daunting funding gap? And whose responsibility is it to fix: governments or the private sector?<\/p>\n<p><strong>In this second part of our talk, Mohieldin tackles the hard questions on climate finance:<\/strong> from the role of the private sector \u2014 and especially mid-sized business \u2014 vs the role of governments, to climate debt vs climate investment. He also gives us a sneak preview on what to expect during COP27.<\/p>\n<p><strong>MISSED PART 1 OF OUR TALK?<\/strong> You can read it <a href=\"https:\/\/enterprise.news\/climate\/en\/news\/story\/95e5d7e3-db69-4e6e-a81c-d28c4eef1ec6\">here<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><strong>KEY TAKEAWAYS-<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>The private sector is best-positioned to lead on \u201cmitigation\u201d <\/strong>(cutting our collective carbon footprint) <strong>while governments need to lead on \u201cadaptation\u201d <\/strong>(tackling the fallout, including the washing away of coastal areas and how to keep cities habitable);<\/li>\n<li><strong>More debt is not the answer <\/strong>\u2014 developed economies need to invest in mitigation and adaptation in EM;<\/li>\n<li><strong>COP27 is just the beginning <\/strong>\u2014 he will work through COP28 with whoever the UAE presidency appoints as its champion;<\/li>\n<li><strong>Mohieldin provides a day-by-day overview of what you can expect <\/strong>if you\u2019re attending COP for the first time.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>ENTERPRISE: What\u2019s the role of the private sector versus that of the state in plugging the financing gap? <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>MM: With the climate gaps being in the USD tns \u2014 not USD bns \u2014 the private sector isn\u2019t the singular answer, but it has a big role.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>The private sector more or less knows its way on how to engage in mitigation, decarbonization, solar projects<\/strong> like in Benban in Egypt or in Ouarzazate in Morocco. Private businesses are investing in wind farms, and in the case of Egypt, in green hydrogen and ammonia. <strong>Those are all private-public partnerships <\/strong>(PPPs)<strong>.<\/strong> And I\u2019m saying private first because the private sector brings the technology and the finance while the public sector provides land and the regulatory framework.<\/p>\n<p><strong>ENTERPRISE: Does the private sector have a role to play in adaptation? <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>MM: I think it\u2019s struggling there. What are the commercial benefits?<\/strong> They\u2019re not as clear in all aspects of the adaptation work. But if you look at the nexus of energy, water, food and agriculture, I think you can see room for the private sector to do nicely on adaptation.<\/p>\n<p><strong>ENTERPRISE: What about the state? <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>MM: Well, that\u2019s the elephant in the room. <\/strong>Public finance in developing economies is responsible for a huge part of the climate action agenda, especially in adaptation, and also in mitigation, where we see all of this investment in solar, wind and green hydrogen. That\u2019s either public or through PPPs.<\/p>\n<p><strong>I would say that mitigation needs really to be given more to the private sector to lead<\/strong>, domestic and foreign, under the regulatory framework of the public sector with some room for development finance institutions.<\/p>\n<p><strong>But adaptation is mainly the responsibility of state budgets.<\/strong> My argument here is that we need full alignment of the state budget with sustainability at a minimum. This then needs to progress to a shadow budget for sustainability or, on a great day, an SDG-sustainability budget that includes infrastructure, health, education, resilience, governance. Anybody who benefits from the state budget should be aligned with the SDG priorities for the current challenges and for the future.<\/p>\n<p><strong>ENTERPRISE: You spoke earlier about the need to do all of this without adding to debt\u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>MM: Absolutely. More than 60% of finance for climate action is coming from debt instruments. <\/strong>I\u2019m concerned that just c. 12-13% of this debt-based finance is concessional. In a world that faces a variety of debt challenges, with rising cost of investment, with rising interest rates. We need debt-reduction mechanisms and <strong>the emphasis instead needs to be on investment<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p> <strong>Look, it\u2019s not fair to ask countries that were not responsible for the deterioration of the climate to borrow commercially.<\/strong> I\u2019ve been saying this for years, and the simple reality is that today countries of the developing world are one of three things: Those with a debt management problem; those with a debt management crisis; and those with a debt management catastrophe. The reality is that debt issues can be handled and there are technical and innovative solutions. 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